Quote:Monks, mages, shamans and even pegs can all aurora the DK, even at its max res of 14, so if your mages can't take magic hits as well as your DK then that's because you didn't build them to take those, not because they don't have the potential to do so.

Quote:I have yet to see a monk or mage aurora anything without having a craptastic build. And as far as I've seen, Shamans are probably the only mage class that can manage to do it, barely. I'm talking with E-rank weapons. You'd have to bring a shitty Arctome to have to do it for one specific unit. So why bother?

Quote:And even then, I was talking about taking magic hits when comparing those units when they run pursuit builds. Sure, Monk, Mage, Shaman, and Peg Mage may take magic hits slightly better than DKs, but it's like comparing a wet paper bag to a slightly thicker wet paper bag. It won't matter because they (monk, mage, shaman, peg mage) die to the next hit of anything, anyway.

(03-30-2015, 01:01 PM)Speedchain Wrote: Why would you need an Arctome? Monks and mages can reach 19 res and shamans hit 18. The Gale and Lunar pegs can actually reach 20 res, so if you're having difficulty outspeeding them you can always use aurora. Of course a standard peg mage build doesn't reach its max res, but if you can't aurora them that means that they probably don't have as many growth points in speed in which case you can easily use pursuit.

Quote:Most pursuiter builds die in 2 hits. Sure, if you build your DK the right way it will be able to survive two melee hits, but at the same time it can be ORKOed easily by DT mages. The chance that you get attacked by both a magic and a melee unit is quite big anyway, so is it really that important?

Surprisingly enough monks, mages and shamans all have a max def that is higher than the DKs max res, so unlike the DK they can actually have builds that will always survive two rounds of attacks (barring crits).

Quote:Why would you need an arctome for shamans? DKs cap at 14 res. Shamans cap at 18. The person using a DK would be riding a pipe dream if they were to attack with a rlb corruption and not switch it to worm or something. Or de-equip even, if need be. Arctomes are pretty much your only bet to get some decent damage onto them when they do have an e-rank equipped.

Quote:The difference between DK and all the other pursuit mage classes is that DK can survive a magic hit and a physical hit. The other mage classes can't tell the same tale, unless lorded.

(04-01-2015, 12:44 AM)Falaflame Wrote: See my problem with those builds is, you're already gimping your units of either firepower or survivability. And you will need both because it's the difference between getting a good first strike and getting a bad first strike, or none at all. In theory, losing a couple of points may not seem like much, until you run into tanky metagame, where you wish you had capped them.

Quote:It's not so much of a problem in promote play because all promote play is about is avoid, avoid, and even more avoid. More enemies are frail as crap, so it's not really the end of the world if you didn't cap pow. But in unpromote play, it's all about bulk, bulk, and more bulk. Tanks are everywhere. DKs. Armors. Mystics. Adepts. Templars. Wyverns. Raiders. You name them. You need every drop of pow you can get, because it's hell of a lot harder to get a good first strike in unpromotes than it is promotes. At least promotes gave you more options to work with.